Comments on: So Many Nodes, Not Enough Reciprocity (Yet) http://authorship.edublogs.org/2008/07/03/so-many-nodes-not-enough-reciprocity-yet/ An exploration of authorship and learning in the digital age Fri, 09 Jan 2009 14:01:12 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: John Mohn http://authorship.edublogs.org/2008/07/03/so-many-nodes-not-enough-reciprocity-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-21 John Mohn Fri, 09 Jan 2009 14:01:12 +0000 http://authorship.edublogs.org/?p=23#comment-21 So much to read. So much to think about. So much technology to master. So little time. So much to read. So much to think about. So much technology to master. So little time.

]]> By: Paul Beaufait http://authorship.edublogs.org/2008/07/03/so-many-nodes-not-enough-reciprocity-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-20 Paul Beaufait Mon, 25 Aug 2008 02:45:10 +0000 http://authorship.edublogs.org/?p=23#comment-20 Pierre-Etienne (sorry for the missing accent marks), you express curiosity with regard to the motives of tens of thousands of Classroom 2.0 Ning members. That's something I wondered about, too, when I first came across that Ning last spring (northern hemisphere time). What the proportions of educators joining to get and to give are is an interesting question, one that might be evident from analysis of introductory posts, and inaugural posts on new threads. There apparently are hosts and minders around to give help upon request. Marielle, here you characterize discussion that you started in Classroom 2.0 about Teaching Writing as "genuinely productive online discourse," "sustained" and "thriving " (So Many Nodes..., comment 3, 13 Aug 2008 at 4:20 pm), and remark about how humans shape their media, while in a comment on Blogging to Learn you describe the Teaching Writing discussion as flourishing (comment 2, 07 Aug 2008 at 6:25 pm). May I take that to mean you are getting what you expect or want from Classroom 2.0 Ning discussion in terms of responses to your responses intended "to probe deeper into the topics at hand" (So Many Nodes..., inaugural post, July 3, 2008), topics that you put forward on the Ning? If so, would you care to share with us a metaphor for your Ning discussion endeavors? Pierre-Etienne (sorry for the missing accent marks), you express curiosity with regard to the motives of tens of thousands of Classroom 2.0 Ning members. That’s something I wondered about, too, when I first came across that Ning last spring (northern hemisphere time).

What the proportions of educators joining to get and to give are is an interesting question, one that might be evident from analysis of introductory posts, and inaugural posts on new threads. There apparently are hosts and minders around to give help upon request.

Marielle, here you characterize discussion that you started in Classroom 2.0 about Teaching Writing as “genuinely productive online discourse,” “sustained” and “thriving ” (So Many Nodes…, comment 3, 13 Aug 2008 at 4:20 pm), and remark about how humans shape their media, while in a comment on Blogging to Learn you describe the Teaching Writing discussion as flourishing (comment 2, 07 Aug 2008 at 6:25 pm).

May I take that to mean you are getting what you expect or want from Classroom 2.0 Ning discussion in terms of responses to your responses intended “to probe deeper into the topics at hand” (So Many Nodes…, inaugural post, July 3, 2008), topics that you put forward on the Ning? If so, would you care to share with us a metaphor for your Ning discussion endeavors?

]]> By: Marielle http://authorship.edublogs.org/2008/07/03/so-many-nodes-not-enough-reciprocity-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-11 Marielle Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:20:12 +0000 http://authorship.edublogs.org/?p=23#comment-11 Thanks so much for your thoughtful comment, Pierre-Etienne. You raise an interesting issue, which I think points to the relative novelty of these communication media and the time it inevitably takes us to develop and master new forms of rhetoric that suit the particular affordances of those media and potentially inform our understanding of communication dynamics and learning processes writ large. I suspect that we will collectively get better at all of this, especially if we continue to reflect on it and communicate about it. As it turns out, the Classroom 2.0 discussion I mentioned has been thriving since then. Several people have been fully engaged in sustained dialogue, while others prefer to lurk or pop in and out, any of which is fine in such an open-ended forum. At this stage, I'm actually feeling that the discussion has evolved into an example of genuinely productive online discourse. It's interesting to contemplate how human nature and culture shape our use of these media, and also how our experience with these media might transform our nature and culture. Such a dynamic domain, this is! Thanks so much for your thoughtful comment, Pierre-Etienne. You raise an interesting issue, which I think points to the relative novelty of these communication media and the time it inevitably takes us to develop and master new forms of rhetoric that suit the particular affordances of those media and potentially inform our understanding of communication dynamics and learning processes writ large. I suspect that we will collectively get better at all of this, especially if we continue to reflect on it and communicate about it. As it turns out, the Classroom 2.0 discussion I mentioned has been thriving since then. Several people have been fully engaged in sustained dialogue, while others prefer to lurk or pop in and out, any of which is fine in such an open-ended forum. At this stage, I’m actually feeling that the discussion has evolved into an example of genuinely productive online discourse. It’s interesting to contemplate how human nature and culture shape our use of these media, and also how our experience with these media might transform our nature and culture. Such a dynamic domain, this is!

]]> By: Pierre-Etienne http://authorship.edublogs.org/2008/07/03/so-many-nodes-not-enough-reciprocity-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-10 Pierre-Etienne Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:04:57 +0000 http://authorship.edublogs.org/?p=23#comment-10 Hello Marielle, This article is very interesting, especially as I am also looking for means of engaging rich conversations, reactions for readers and ... find it really hard. Read with interest your view on Classroom 2.0 ("One can only speculate about the reasons for this…people are busy and easily distracted or overwhelmed…the design of popular tools does not inherently foster two-way communication…social norms and time constraints favor more cursory discourse") but have found another reason as well : I am under the impression that generally speaking, people are more interested in "receiving" that conscious of the need of "giving" to make these social places alive. It is logic to use them when you have a question and one feel very happy to receive an asnwer but I feel that maybe people should feel a little more obliged to participate into these discussions. Out of the 10.000 + members of Classroom 2.0, how many go there with the idea that maybe they could "give" something ??? I'd be very curious to know. Do not think I am being pessimistic, not at all ... I'm always trying to figure out ways to improve users reactions and discussing it might help figure out some possible solutions ... Thanx for starting the discussion ... PE Hello Marielle,

This article is very interesting, especially as I am also looking for means of engaging rich conversations, reactions for readers and … find it really hard.

Read with interest your view on Classroom 2.0 (”One can only speculate about the reasons for this…people are busy and easily distracted or overwhelmed…the design of popular tools does not inherently foster two-way communication…social norms and time constraints favor more cursory discourse”) but have found another reason as well : I am under the impression that generally speaking, people are more interested in “receiving” that conscious of the need of “giving” to make these social places alive.

It is logic to use them when you have a question and one feel very happy to receive an asnwer but I feel that maybe people should feel a little more obliged to participate into these discussions. Out of the 10.000 + members of Classroom 2.0, how many go there with the idea that maybe they could “give” something ??? I’d be very curious to know.

Do not think I am being pessimistic, not at all … I’m always trying to figure out ways to improve users reactions and discussing it might help figure out some possible solutions …

Thanx for starting the discussion …

PE

]]> By: Blogging to Learn | Authorship 2.0 http://authorship.edublogs.org/2008/07/03/so-many-nodes-not-enough-reciprocity-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-4 Blogging to Learn | Authorship 2.0 Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:02:08 +0000 http://authorship.edublogs.org/?p=23#comment-4 [...] ironically, my previous post, entitled So Many Nodes, Not Enough Reciprocity (Yet), speaks to some of these challenges, while also demonstrating some of the benefits. For instance, [...] [...] ironically, my previous post, entitled So Many Nodes, Not Enough Reciprocity (Yet), speaks to some of these challenges, while also demonstrating some of the benefits. For instance, [...]

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